it leaves out the perspective of the true heroes at the time, the other cia agents, fbi agents, military officials who said, not only is torture ineffective, it's illegal, immoral and it will do harm to our national security if we use it. that's a story entirely untold. >> absolutely right. we know those techniques played a role in the war on terror, for better or worse. did the filmmakers have an obligation to at least acknowledge that role? not making a moral judgment as to the validity of the approach, but the accuracy of the fact that torture techniques were deployed? >> in one sense it's true, entertainment is entertainment and fact is fact, this is a film that starts out by claiming it is based on fact. and once that claim is made, i do think that the filmmakers who now have a real platform given this controversy should acknowledge that in fact torture did not lead to bin laden as the facts have shown. and also, i think acknowledged that there were real heroes at the time who faced with the same kinds of pressures the filmmakers depicted said no. >> another interesting feature of t